Class dialogue while viewing the video "Future Quest: Wizards of Wisdom" (A production of A Producer's Education Group.)
David, kn55: 02:48PM 2/2/95 --> All of the discusion of classrooms today, seems to emphasize the fact that they are all very "Reproductive" and not very useful.
Josh, kn56: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> From an associationist standpoint, they would love the modern day public schools since it is a regurgitation of information for the upcoming test. But this film has two of my favorite things: Pink Floyd and the Simpsons!
Joel, kn42: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> Studies show consistently that even young children learn better in groups than in the usual one-sided classroom setting. Changes in class organization are long overdue.
Randy, kn54: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> The reproductive aspect of the Gestaltist theory seems to be the main perspective taken in this video so far.
Mary, kn52: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> A lot of the speakers have talked about learning from life in the movie. It is like the Associationist view of trial and error. You learn from your experiences, including your mistakes.
Victoria, kn57: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> Good choice with Pink Floyd!!!! Very few students ever get to experience learning from a mentor. Personal attention. I have learned more in classes where there were less than 10 students. I have learned the most from one on one. Hey, Snoopy, dicipline is necessary. That does not mean everyone should think the same thoughts.
Terri, kn48: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> I agree that children often do not receive sufficient education in a classroom. Also, many teachers are not adequately equipe or educated to teach children what they need to know in this day and age.
Donna, kn50: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> The associationist theories of trial and error are shown in the rote method of teaching children- each of them programmed to learn in a specific way. The straight rows, teacher-directed learning method does not lend itself well to learning how to use knowledge in a productive manner, but only in predetermined learning methods. This idea of classrooms is, thankfully, not one which is used in a number of school settings now.
Andrea: 02:49PM 2/2/95 --> The film does seem to express a bias toward the Gestalt view of education. But I agree with the idea that the mannerisms of education need to change somewhat with the times.
Shiva, kn46: 02:50PM 2/2/95 --> This program has reached the very root of our problems in the educational system today. Yes, differences are scary....but they are the road to excellence and achievement. We need to be more Gestaltist.
Jenrose, kn58: 02:50PM 2/2/95 --> Reproductive giving back on tests; no "big picture. In my experience some education is like this and some is not , for me, for my daughters, for my grandchildren. Different classes in the same school and at all levels. On the other hand some educators want creative thinking, but do not seem to have the skills or the tools to teach or support that kind of learning.
David, kn55: 02:51PM 2/2/95 --> Well Andrea said the film doesn't appear to be taking a stand for/against Gestaltist education, however I'm willing to bet that it is definately against the Associonationist view. . .
Bernard, kn43: 02:51PM 2/2/95 --> I think that by giving students in high school a test per week in each subject and actually telling them what they need to know would result in better grades for many more students. Also, they may begin to have confidence and learn to study better on their own! I think that the biggest problem I had, and I know many others did as well was that I wasn't able to do complicated math or science on my own. I needed to learn it little by little in order to comprehend it. Maybe this system would help, maybe it wouldn't?
Kenya, kn44: 02:51PM 2/2/95 --> The Gestalt principle is very evident in early education. Children are asked to produce (regurgitate) what they learn. Organization and validity are not important, but more importantly who can give back what they recieved from the teacher.
Charles, kn00: 02:51PM 2/2/95 --> When I am pressed into performance as I am now, I find it very difficult to produce . I have long believed that I would do much better in a system such as those in Europe that allows one to progress at one's own pace; i.e. tailored to the individual's needs.
David, kn55: 02:52PM 2/2/95 --> Sorry, I read that wrong. My appologies
Steve, kn41: 02:53PM 2/2/95 --> we need to give more powere to the parents to determine what their kids learn and to decide where kids go to school (perhaps through vouchers). Kids have to have it explained to them why they should learn. Also some private groups should be formed composed of educators, parents, psychologists, etc., to deternmine how to improve the quatlity of education. And why not ask students what they want to learn.
Joseph, kn61: 02:53PM 2/2/95 --> Joe: I agree with the basic idea presented so far, that we should find out in this modern age what would be the best way for students in the future to learn.
Shiva, kn46: 02:54PM 2/2/95 --> The problem surpasses inadequate teachers....we also have inadequate parents, and a complete deterioration of family and social values. When people lack the very essentials of life (base of the psychological pyramid of needs), they cannot move on to the higher psychological needs of success, etc..
Shiva, kn46: 02:56PM 2/2/95 --> I do hope that computer technology forces our educational system to change... it's very overdue. Either that, or we need to lengthen our school year to a full year! The Japanese have already done this.
Jenrose, kn58: 03:00PM 2/2/95 --> a great many new tools for education. what will they change in what way? are they aimed at seeing, understanding relationships?
Shiva, kn46: 03:00PM 2/2/95 --> Gosh! I think I'm lost somewhere in a "limbo" generation...where have I been while all of this technology has been developing? This makes me feel a little out of date, you know? Anybody else feel like this?
Mary, kn52: 03:00PM 2/2/95 --> I can see a lot of changes just in the time that I have been in college. Right now I am sitting at a computer haveing class. As soon as things become more available , education will change even more. This movie shows a lot of the great things that are coming.
Terri, kn48: 03:00PM 2/2/95 --> From the last two comments made, I can definitely see a Gestalt position being taken. I don't know how good an idea it is to simply take old teachings and reapply them.
Steve, kn41: 03:01PM 2/2/95 --> It's very important for the human contact to exist in school, this helps build social skills and helps students learn better with the aid of computers. I think though, virtual reality is great, but it should not interfere with creative thinking and the ability of people to force themselves to find solutions to dificult problems and use their imagination
David, kn55: 03:01PM 2/2/95 --> I think his dream of having a $10 computer plug into all the books in the world is definitely feasable, and that we will see the day "real soon now" but we do have to worry about "Computerphobia" in which as they said people don't respond well enough to a computer in order to reap the benefits. It would be nice if everyone could use it, but somehow I don't think that will ever happen.
Randy, kn54: 03:01PM 2/2/95 --> Assuming that Productive thinking would take place with the availability of computers and Virtual Reality, one has to wonder if the insight, and the meaningful understanding will end up in a false reality of some sort. Could our realities get lost if the computers are too realisitic and meaningful?
Bernard, kn43: 03:02PM 2/2/95 --> The information age is well upon us! Computers in the classroom would definitely enable students to learn in a broader, freer context without a doubt! Also, they would help those students that try hard and struggle, but yet still are intelligent, to see a new way of learning. A way of learning that they can understand - not just the teachers interpretation of the material being taught!
Kenya, kn44: 03:02PM 2/2/95 --> Looking at the point of view of those who say humans need human interaction, I can not help but to agree with or understand what they are saying. An age of computerization would make us loose the aesthetic pleasures of life and learning. Traveleing to the rainforests through a computerized simulation would not be as effective as being there and touching and smelling your surroundings.
Donna, kn50: 03:02PM 2/2/95 --> This viewpoint of reorganizing how we think and learn is one that is shared by many people, including educators. There are those of us, however, who believe that learning is more than just machines and a stimulus-response activity. Reading or watching something is not necessarily experiencing it first hand or even understanding the information you received. Real people are needed in order to foster a climate in which students not only learn but also understand the why s and wherefores.
Joel, kn42: 03:02PM 2/2/95 --> I've never liked the idea of year-round school, somehow. I believe the problem in schools today is more fundamental than that; the methods used in the average classroom today are simply inadequate to truly "educate" children. Introducing high tech aids to these methods will certainly be helpful, but until we begin teaching in ways that best convey concepts and ideas to people, it's just a temporary fix.
Josh, kn56: 03:02PM 2/2/95 --> Interactive learning is the future. Altohugh I believe that people will always use their inherent knowledge, that is their instincts, as the first means to solving a problem. Computers and multi-media can the help us to refine our original thoughts and in turn gain a better understanding of virtually everything. It will be interesting to see how schools do change